Founders of Biola Queer Underground come forward

Homosexuality on Campus: Part Two

Senior William Haggerty and former Biola student Tasha Magness, co-founders of Biola Queer Underground. | Emily Arnold/THE CHIMES

A seven-page PDF hit the Internet on Wednesday, displaying smiling faces against rainbow backdrops. In it, 15 students declared their involvement with the Biola Queer Underground — the organization that went public last May in support of gay students on campus, provoking varied reactions from across campus and beyond.

More than just photos of allies and gay students, the “yearbook” contained letters from the founders and next year’s leaders. One face appeared three times: a woman with medium length brown hair, bright green eyes and visible sass.

This woman is Tasha Magness. A former Biola student, she started the Underground last spring during her last semester here, alongside current senior William Haggerty, a business major.

THE BEGINNING OF BQU

“We have to start a group for these people who have already arrived at this one side,” Magness said of the thought process behind the decision to form the BQU.

The pair were introduced by a mutual friend and began talking about their experiences. Together with a few others, they began formally meeting in February to begin shaping a community. It wasn’t announced to the public until that May.

Magness jokes that the Underground went public at the time they did in order to line up with President Barack Obama, whose announcement in support of gay marriage happened the same day. In reality, though, the group had discussed launching a website to get their name out already. Small moments helped confirm Magness’ belief that she was following God’s calling.

“For me, that’s been a driving force — this sense of God giving me this conviction,” she said.

The incident that pushed Magness over the edge happened during her all-time favorite Biola class. A professor made a comment about how some students present might even be gay.

“She looked right at me and said ‘I’m sure some of you might even be in a secret lesbian relationship,’ and she stared at me while she said that. And of course, I started shaking … and I started getting really nervous, and I almost started crying,” Magness said.

Magness mentioned that others in the group had similar difficult experiences around the same time.

“That was sort of God being like, ‘I told you. Do it now,’” Magness said of the effect of that incident on the decision to launch.

A DIFFICULT START

When the group finally launched, Magness was a nervous wreck. Many opposing emails in response to their announcement added to the stress of finals week.

“It was so stressful that I remember that I drove home really fast … I just collapsed on the couch sobbing for like five hours,” she said.

At the time, Magness wasn’t out to her parents, who suggested she leave Biola simply because her stress levels were so palpable. Today, she is out to her parents and has transferred from Biola to Scripps College, starting her major in American studies this semester.

When I met Magness last fall, she had already withdrawn from Biola. On a rainy morning, we both showed up late to Panera. She was late because she’d had a busy week campaigning against a proposition — her team won.

Magness has the zest of a seasoned activist looking to create change, balanced out by her good-natured air of composure when dealing with tricky situations.

“She’s really empathetic and caring, and she’s definitely always there for someone. It’s interesting because she never gives up on people,” said  Maura Lopez, a current junior.

UNDERGROUND IS ABOUT PEOPLE

 Magness sees her work in the Underground as being about people. She thinks that her experience has prepared her to talk with these students. Unlike some students who may not begin considering their sexuality until the middle of college, Magness began thinking about the morality of being gay when she was in high school.

“I turned to the Internet, and I turned to reading, reading, reading,” Magness said.

She read about both sides of the debate over the sinfulness of homosexuality and eventually came to align with Side A — believing that the Lord can bless homosexual relationships.

“I think [the researching is] what God wanted, because it made me really well prepared now. … It made me a good person to talk to other people,” she said.

COMING OUT TO FRIENDS

The first person she came out to was Lopez, one of Magness’ best friends since they were 12. Lopez, shocked, started crying when she heard the news in 2010.

“Everything played back. Everything mean I had ever said or any gay joke I had ever made … That stuff just started playing in my head. I felt so guilty,” she said.

Lopez, an intercultural studies major, knew about Magness launching the Underground but was never super involved because the founding pair wanted a safe place for LGBTQ students — which may simply look like getting together every week and talking or playing board games.

“It almost feels like she’s trying to bring redemption in the relationship between the queer [community] and Biola,” Lopez said. 

Since, the founders have gotten matching tattoos that express their love of equality, a decision they made one morning during church. Magness sports a bold, black equal sign on her bicep and Haggerty has two thin lines all the way around his wrist.

AN ACT OF LOVE TOWARDS BIOLA

Now that it’s a year later, the pair are glad they launched the group. They see it as an act of love toward the university.

“I think it shows how much we truly do love the university, and the Church and Christianity, that we would risk so much and that we would put ourselves in such a position,” Haggerty said.

In the next few months, Haggerty will transition out of leadership and another leader will be brought on board. After a year where BQU has continued to put on events and deal with controversial responses, they will take a new approach next year. In the upcoming year, BQU hopes to be more open about their plans, looking for new ways to cooperate with university administration.

“If you just let an institution stand like it is, you don’t love the place … There are structural, I think, inequalities at Biola, but that doesn’t mean I don’t love it,” Magness said, noting that she misses prayer in class and the centrality of faith at Biola.

Even though she’s no longer at Biola, Magness hopes to stay involved with the university. Though she’s transferred, she remains involved with the Underground because she’s committed to Biola, she said.
 

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  1. Sara

    This is amazing. May 16, 2013

  2. angry biolan

    THIS IS SPIRITUAL WARFARE.
    in CLEARLY states in Gensis 2 that woman comes from a mans rib and the two together are one in God's eyes.
    HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG.
    if you are struggling with the sin and receiving help from Biola then you should continue that and stay at Biola but if you are trying to persuade others to join your gay community or are trying to say that you were born with your "sin of homosexuality" then you need to find a different school because you are not following Christ and you are bringing Biolans away from the True Christ following community. May 16, 2013

  3. Sign of the times

    I find it interesting that the professors in the Biblical Studies Department - men and women who have devoted their lives to the study of God's Word - do not support this movement.
    Shouldn't that tell you something? May 16, 2013

  4. Re: Sign of the times

    The church didn't support black equality for a long time, and the Pharisees hated Jesus.
    What it tells me is that those who devote their lives to the study of God's word can also be wrong. May 16, 2013

  5. Janine Marderian

    Sallie, thanks for covering this story with gracefulness. My prayer is that no matter which "side" students take, they do so lovingly and thoughtfully, rather than with the sort of aggression and hostility that has too often characterized both sides of this conversation. May 16, 2013

  6. Sign of the times

    Scripture calls homosexuality a sin, and that it is not natural. I don't understand how there can be two sides to this argument within the Christian community. All of the arguments I have heard and read that try to explain why homosexuality is "okay" either twist scripture, ignore it, or very loosely translate it to fit their needs.
    May 16, 2013

  7. Matt

    Apparently reading for hours on the internet trumps a 100-year-old Biblical studies institution.

    Is this generation really going to try and change the face of Christianity by googling answers?

    Has the Bible really lost it's authority? May 16, 2013

  8. RE: SIGN OF THE TIMES

    MATTHEW 7:

    “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

    3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    Get off your pedestal. We're all sinners. It doesn't mean we can't love people where they are at now. May 16, 2013

  9. Just a thought

    Often times people say that they were born with homosexual desires and therefore it shouldn't be their fault and it isn't sin, etc.

    The truth is, we are all born sinful. We have selfish and evil desires. One of the first things a kid learns to say is "no" and doesn't need to be taught selfishness.

    I do not understand how homosexuality is exempt from viewing it as a sin that you are born with. Other things are viewed as a sin that must be repented of and work towards transformation through the love and grace that we have because of Jesus and through the power of The Holy Spirit.

    I guess what I'm saying is that sin is sin. If you were born with homosexual desires, it is still the result of sin and one of many results of the failure of one man, Adam. The hope and joy that we have in Christ is that one man justifies many, and that man is Jesus.

    Scripture is very clear about this subject and it is a gift and a blessing that it provides a great deal of revelation into our lives.

    If you have homosexual desires and you realize it as a sin, as the scripture say, and are seeking to be repentant and transformed, then the body of Christ should embrace you and fight alongside you.

    If you have homosexual desires and you do not see anything wrong with it and actively embrace it, then you should see what scripture says about how God reacts to those that are unrepentant.

    My hope is that those that read this see this response as one not of pride, arrogance, nor judgement, but one of love and care for my fellow brothers and sisters. I'm thankful for a body of believers that are in my life that point out my sin and do not allow me to continue on a path that leads to death. They do not allow me to live and embrace my own sin, whatever it is.

    My hope is that God works in you to love you, to show you grace, to embrace you, but also to love you through discipline and transformation. God loves those who he disciplines.

    Once again, I hope and pray that my comment is one that is received as one of humility, love, grace, and reconciliation.

    May 16, 2013

  10. Hector

    Oh no! Students at Biola have differing perspectives?! Gay people exist here?! We don't all think the exact same way?! I can't be a sheltered Biolan anymore?!

    Get over yourselves. If anything, understanding different people can help you from sounding like ignorant, sheltered, mean spirited Christians that give us all a bad name. Stop hiding behind your keyboards. May 16, 2013

  11. Biolan

    What?! Not everyone believes in the bible and Christianity!!?
    I must impose my beliefs in them forcefully so they understand their sins!!!!!

    Not. Jump off your pedestals you hypocritical christians. Interracial, gay marriage, it's all the same love. May 16, 2013

  12. Cody

    As much as I love a roaring debate on this issue and the name-calling, ALL CAPS YELLING, and other assorted things that come along with online debates, can I propose that we keep this discussion civil and remember that we are talking ultimately about people? Also do remember that discussion is centered around the idea that you, well, actually want to hear what the other person is saying. So if you are here simply to comment because the title contains "Queer", don't comment. This forum is for those who have read the article and want to discuss it with others. May 16, 2013

  13. Sara

    good for them :). As a Biola student, I'm way stoked on this moving forward.
    I'm excited to start a movement were my gay and transgendered friends won't feel intimidated to go to church with me.

    I'm excited that we are moving toward a point where gender doesn't dictate everything around us

    I'm looking forward to the Church finally getting involved to help stand up against teen suicide and bullying in the LGBTQ community.

    May 16, 2013

  14. Jonathan Adriel Diaz

    Sallie, Thank you for such a brilliant article.

    But dear conservative commenters, please rethink your approach. I agree with the Church's traditional stance on the issue as well, but you're missing the point of this article: these are people, human beings, your brothers and sisters in Christ, and they have things to say.

    Let's listen to them; if and when we answer them, let it be in grace and charity. If what we believe is true, it won't be served by hostility and sensationalism.

    And if you're going to comment on this thread, post your name. Anything said behind the mask of anonymity, anything you're embarrassed to sign your name to, is not worth saying. Right or wrong, these students have had the bravery to come out in public and face trials we can't imagine; the least you could do is put your name on a message board.

    -Jonathan Adriel Diaz May 16, 2013

  15. Elizabeth Sallie

    Hi everyone,

    It looks like a few people have already made this comment, but I wanted to throw it out there as well. In this discussion, as with any other, we will NOT tolerate personal attacks, slurs or otherwise defamatory statements.

    I'll be closely monitoring the comments to ensure that they meet our standards for furthering conversation. If they don't, they will be removed.

    Thanks so much for engaging this discussion thoughtfully.

    --elizabeth sallie // editor-in-chief '11-'13 May 16, 2013

  16. Brianna

    So excited for Biola!! May 16, 2013

  17. Matt

    Where can this 7pg PDF be found? May 16, 2013

  18. Jos

    Tasha and William are both wonderfully brave, intelligent, and compassionate people. They are part of the Biola community. If you choose not to accept that, you are choosing not to accept *all* of Biola in all of its diversity. So really they aren't the ones engaging in "warfare" or division. If you refuse to belong to a Biola that includes LGBTQ Christians, then *you* ought to be the one to leave Biola. Because, honey, we're staying. May 16, 2013

  19. David Truschel

    I'm not particularly interested in scoring points for one side or the other in this conversation. I am, however, interested in ensuring that this conversation is a healthy one.

    Both sides, I ask you- have some compassion. both sides are being asked for something very difficult. If you believe gay or otherwise queer relationships are right and good, well, remember that some of us believe that the Bible says otherwise. And we want to be submissive to the authority of God. And if you believe homosexuality is forbidden by the Bible- remember that some of us do not, and that to such people it seems that a basic feature of life is being denied for no reason other than convention.

    Please be kind to one another. May 16, 2013

  20. Gisele

    Matt,
    http://www.thebiolaqueerunderground.com/
    click on the thing that says "expand".
    That would be the yearbook where some graduates/ transfers students came out. May 16, 2013

  21. Morris

    I'm curious for those who vehemently oppose our peers what you feel would be an accurate alternative for homosexuals. Should they force a relationship with someone of the opposite sex, perhaps even having a family and marriage based on a lie that may cause even more harm and damage? Live a life of celibacy, never experiencing love or a relationship? Go to "reparative therapy" which psychologists have already deemed mentally damaging? These students are just trying to live their lives. Positive, loving students that you belittle through comments, yet don't understand what you or even God is asking of them in relation to homosexuality. May 16, 2013

  22. HAPPY Biolan :]

    This is an awesome community and is an essential topic for this day and age. When I was at Biola, it felt like people just put on a false face in order to fit the "Biola bubble" culture. I think this brings much needed diversity to the campus and encourages people to share their struggles and be their true selves with one another.

    I do not have a stance on the gay issue. On one hand, I do not see how gay intercourse works anatomically and saddens me with the medical problems it causes later in life. On the other hand, it frustrates me that the topic pushes more people away from God because of the criticism and judgement. It is immensely aggravating that Christians go to the extreme by saying LGBT people cannot be Christians and make them feel uncomfortable in the church.

    Ultimately, God's greatest commandment is to love one another. May 16, 2013

  23. Ryan Lunde

    Thank you William and Natasha for your tremendous boldness in coming forward. The more this discussion is brought to light the more it can move forward.

    If you read this comment, I would love for you to elaborate on why you view your involvement as an act of love towards the university, the Church, and Christianity in general. May 16, 2013

  24. Noelle

    I'm thoroughly impressed and inspired by the courage of these students. May 16, 2013

  25. Sam Pepke

    I can't fathom why we would respond in an angry way towards our heavenly family-- as if we have a position to judge them. I admire the courage of the BQU and I am ashamed of the hate propagated by some of my peers. I hope that they will feel unconditionally loved by our community. May 16, 2013

  26. Christina Harris

    This makes me so excited to see this happening. Go Tasha and William! I'm proud of you guys. :) May 16, 2013

  27. Mark Anthony Gutierrez

    Tasha, Will,

    Your queer neighbors to the south at LoveOUTLoud Vanguard absolutely love and support y'all.

    All else,
    We love you and your university too. May 16, 2013

  28. Look at God Move!

    Thank you Elizabeth for having the courage to take this on with such openness and grace! Outstanding article to begin discussion. I know many Biolans believe scripture is "absolute" about this issue, but they need to know that there are thousands of committed, God-loving pastors, theologians, and day-to-day Christians out there who believe differently. And we are ALL still part of the body of Christ. They need to meet LGBT persons who honestly do love God and strive to live more like Christ each and every day. We exist! If we spent 1/2 our time as passionate about the poor and those disenfranchised (as Christ commanded us to), and less time condemning others for who they LOVE, we would be a much better body of Christ. May 16, 2013

  29. anney snyder

    I am a straight supporter of equal rights who graduated from Biola in 2000. After being staunchly anti-homosexuality until I watched the documentary Trembling Before G-D and realized there was NO way homosexuality wasn't a choice. Doing research, I began to see how the church has twisted the interpretation of scripture to make homosexuality "icky." It was declared a sin in the OT simply because the Israelite population was dwindling and they needed heirs. It was a sin in sodom and gomorrah because they wanted to RAPE the men and were being unkind to strangers. In the New Testament, Jesus NEVER mentions homosexuality, only Paul. And the Greek word he used originally used is actually translated as prostitution. There was a Greek word for homosexuality that was changed several centuries ago. I hope that our grandchildren will be dumbfounded when we tell them at one time, gays didn't have the same basic rights as the rest of the population. Good work. May 16, 2013

  30. Brandt Russo

    It seems to me, ideas like "love like Jesus loved" is often taken (in most Christian University crowds) to mean tell people they're wrong concerning things we don't personally understand and can't possibly comprehend physically, mentally, sexually or spiritually. It's a shame, really.

    The word homosexual did not appear in a translation of the bible until 1946, when the translator took unprecedented license to infuse a very specific and suspect meaning into a Greek word that has always eluded scholars of the language. Arsenokoitai has no known English translation, and has historically been supposed, given its contextual usage, to refer to married older men who patroned hairless young male prostitutes (malakois).

    The texts in Timothy 1 and Corinthians 6 are about fornication, on the one hand, but the more central theme of those texts is what you're ignoring at great peril: what they say about God. And what they say is that He alone is the judge of men, and we have no place judging one another - our only concern in that regard should be ourselves.

    These texts explicitly emphasize that God doesn't want us squabbling with one another, over who is in and who is out, but to love one another for His glory. Can't we incarnate the spirit of our Lord in that way? Can't we learn to love deeply, walk humbly, and open our arms to those who feel any amount of pain? Pretty hard to hold those who hurt when we won't drop our stones... May 16, 2013

  31. AGAPE

    As Christians, we are called to love others, not point fingers and yell angrily at others. We need to approach their side of the issue with empathy and seek to understand how they feel in order to have a proper discussion and work through things as the body of Christ. The reason Christians get such a bad reputation from everyone is because they yell and seem hypocritical. Let us stop being factious and start seeing how God is calling us to love our brothers and sisters who differ from ourselves. Yes, what they may believe in or be doing might be wrong, but the only way that this can be understood properly and helped is through love, which heals. And of course, we all have our own sins and sin tendencies which also require grace and healing. Give grace as you have been given it. Seek to understand as you seek to be understood. Love as you would be loved. Pray for God to work in all of our lives, on campus, and heal what needs to be healed.

    Thanks to the people who are showing compassion to our brothers and sisters [and fyi, no, I am not LGBTQ, but I am also a sinner in need of God's grace].

    I humbly repost the following:

    1) "RE: SIGN OF THE TIMES

    MATTHEW 7:

    “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

    3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    Get off your pedestal. We're all sinners. It doesn't mean we can't love people where they are at now."

    2) "HECTOR

    Oh no! Students at Biola have differing perspectives?! Gay people exist here?! We don't all think the exact same way?! I can't be a sheltered Biolan anymore?!

    Get over yourselves. If anything, understanding different people can help you from sounding like ignorant, sheltered, mean spirited Christians that give us all a bad name. Stop hiding behind your keyboards." May 16, 2013

  32. Re: Angry Biolian

    Your ignorance is the reason why I'm dropping out of Biola and transferring to UCLA. There is no room for me to grow mentally and have hope of taking on the real world when I'm surrounded by close minded, bible thumping people such as yourself. If you really want to show the love of Christ, get your hands dirty in the things that Jesus got his hands dirty in. It doesn't matter if you don't agree with someone's sexual orientation, you don't have to force your beliefs or feelings onto other people's lives. I think it's so funny that when gays and lesbians defend themselves from your hateful comments that you claim things like "Omg spiritual warfare" and use it as an opportunity that "God himself" has given you to "test" your amazing Christian skills. You and people like you are the reason I'm not a Christian anymore. PS. I'm not gay or lesbian, but when you start hurting my fellow brothers and sisters (which they are) don't think I'm going to just sit here and not retaliate. May 16, 2013

  33. Nate Smith

    I think Biola has a unique opportunity to make headway on a very contentious issue among evangelicals. If we first seek to understand each other, the source of these convictions and why they touch at something central to our identity, we can clarify the issue.

    I think there are identities at stake here; one that hold's scripture to be the infallible word of God, and one that believes God has made us a certain way and that we are responsible to act consistently with our identity.

    The consequences of crossing the first is that it is inconsistent with the orthodox view of the morality of sexuality, and the limitations given to sexuality in the Bible. Curbed desire is a part of our theology. Are these commands culturally isolated accounts of a kind of sexual practice whose violations were fruits of a misguided heart? Worse, can the Bible be trusted to speak truly into our lives? Obviously biblical conviction is questioned, if not weakened.

    The consequences of dismissing the second is that God becomes the kind of God who bars people from fulfilling their deepest desires and convictions. God allows a person to feel deeply sexually attracted to a person of the same sex, then offers no other fulfillment but self-denial. Isolation and loneliness offer little hope, especially when everyone else can freely express and pursue their sexual desires.

    How are we similar? How are we different? May 16, 2013

  34. Jason Brown

    @ Mark Anthony Gutierrez

    You and LoveOUTLoud Vanguard have inspired me to hold my head up high today as I came out with the Biola Queer Underground.

    @ Brandt Russo

    You are a peace maker and man of God. Thank you for discerning God's voice among the chatter often called Christian.



    In these culture and religious wars, I pray that people's lives may never be the expense. Too often has bad ideas about homosexuality and queer people made friends into enemies.

    Love,
    Jason
    May 16, 2013

  35. Beth

    I wish that I had been as brave as these two when I was a Biola student. I spent 3 years at Biola convinced that if I were to come out I would be rejected. Many of the comments below reinforce that my suspicions are true.

    It is really disappointing to me that so many Christian people comment on articles like this with hateful/harsh words. I can respect and empathize with a "traditional" biblical view on homosexuality. After all, I used to have one. But screaming and shouting does not make those views more reputable.

    Let's treat each other well - let's dialogue - disagree lovingly. And most importantly, let's embrace these awesome students who have demonstrated such incredible strength. It is clear that they love Biola.



    May 16, 2013

  36. Kyle Greenberg

    Proud of the courage and strength of the BQU members! I saw some of you at APU's Art of Discovery, and you have my full support!

    To anyone saying, "the bible is clear on blah blah blah"...that statement is the rhetorical equivalent of wearing a name tag that says, "I'm simple, don't mind me".

    The Bible is "clear" on very few things, if any. Activate your heart and mind and realize that there is room for debate on this issue.

    And to those who think this is a sign of the times: If trying to change the climate of the country in a way that will discourage LGBT youth from committing suicide scares you, perhaps you should spend some time contemplating your disposition. The world has fully embraced many "sins", but for some reason, trying to teach people to be more compassionate and sensitive towards LGBT people really freaks you out? Greed, violence, hate, anger, indifference, lies, and sexual oppression have run rampant for millennia, but this is what upsets you? How desensitized can one be? How delusional? May 16, 2013

  37. Jake Forsythe

    I find it hard to believe that a lot of these comments are coming from Biola students, let alone Christians. The bible is, in fact, clear on homosexuality. Whether you choose to disregard the sections that condemn it is up to you, but you aren't taking the bible in its entirety, and thus contemporary evangelical Christianity as it is understood, if that's the case. You can pick and choose from the bible, crafting a spirituality that fits modern sentiments, but by no means is that biblical Christianity. Saying things like don't judge isn't helpful here- you're supposed to judge and confront those in the church on issues of sin. I'd love to be proven wrong. May 16, 2013

  38. Kelsey May

    Great Article, I really appreciate the Chimes respectful coverage of all these issues.

    I was so excited to see the BQU post that yearbook - I'm inspired by their bravery to be honest and challenge the University to engage in conversation on queer topics - I think there's enough evidence in these comments alone that we all need to spend time learning to grow and respect each other.

    I have really appreciated the BQU, just reading their website and seeing their testimonies and listening to the conversations they've ignited - I have vastly rethought the simplistic childhood views I was taught about sexuality. Recognizing the real people behind cultural labels, as well as the diverse stories of faith and personal journeys has been essential to my understanding of queer communities.

    I honestly don't yet know what I personally believe - it's something I'm still trusting God to lead me to the truth on. But I know that the BQU has been central to helping me see queer communities not through cultural assumptions, but the love of Christ.

    I'm praying for them, not that they would conform to some limited human opinion of sexuality, whatever side it may be - but that they would continue to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge.

    I thank them and appreciate their honesty and bravery. May 16, 2013

  39. John Reid

    I've read all of the above comments and my heart is breaking. For a number of reasons really. This hostility between the two camps looks like a a nursery of adults. Fighting, slandering and using unintelligent approaches (again, on both sides) is saddening to me.

    To those who oppose homosexual behavior,
    Slander is no way of getting your point across and even if it does it does not reflect Christ. Yes, Christ was aggressive when addressing the Pharisees, for example, but assertiveness is different than slander. I affirm your stance that homosexuality is conflicting with God's intent for creation and I'm glad you are standing strong in your thought. Keep it up. But if you can't deliver that message as Christ would then there is no reason for you to say anything at all.

    To those who condone homosexuality,
    There are two reasons I grieve for you. One, because you have likely fallen victim to the hate that some Christians have displayed towards you. Disagreeing with homosexual lifestyles isn't hatred though. Hatred is hatred. Few of the remarks above display ignorance but I affirm that most of the above rebukes towards homosexuality are out of love for the Father and his intent for creation. I believe you love Jesus, I really do. My second reason for my grief is because you don't see homosexual behavior as sin. I don't think you're more of a sinner for being gay but I do worry that you don't see it as sin. I don't see homosexuality as sin if it's not acted on by the way.

    Also, keep in mind that Biolans aren't the only ones who read this page. It's open to all. Keep cognizant of that, k?

    I love my gay brothers and sisters just as I love my straight ones. That said, I won't let a straight friend fall for sin nor will I neglect my gay friends' sin. I would hope that my friends from both communities would do the same for me. When I use the term "communities" it is not to separate the two orientations but rather it's a tool for communicating...I know we're all one community in Christ. May 16, 2013

  40. Lauren Valencia

    Can't express how much I support this movement. As a child of a conservative christian home, I am sad to say that at one point, I was anti gay marriage and rights. I will never forget the day that my eyes were opened and I realized that love is love is love. It's as simple as that.

    BQU, you are the light that needs to be seen by people like me. THANK YOU for all that you have done and continue to do. May 16, 2013

  41. Matt Widmann

    this is why aliens don't talk to us. May 16, 2013

  42. Jake Forsythe

    All you guys saying that you support this- Would you do me a favor and either defend your position biblically, or let us know that you don't really care that the bible is against homosexuality? Thanks. May 16, 2013

  43. Richard Padilla

    "This is why Alians don't talk to us" - best quote of the day.
    Good job Matt Widman. May 16, 2013

  44. Richard padilla

    Oops! I wrote aliens wrong and spelled his name wrong.
    Either way he has the best comment so far. May 16, 2013

  45. sarina

    http://missionviejo.rockharbor.org/message/questions-series-sexuality/ May 16, 2013

  46. olive

    http://www.desiringgod.org/blog/posts/love-letter-to-a-lesbian

    Saw this on desiringgod. I've heard her story at p4cm. May 16, 2013

  47. Nora

    I admire you gays out there! I admire how brave you fight for your rights... although it makes me incredibly sad to see that you still have to.
    And it makes me equally sad to see that so many people who talk about love obviously have not yet figured out what this word actually means... May 16, 2013

  48. Kyle Greenberg

    "I'd love to be proven wrong"

    I'd love for you to first establish any grounds on which you base your argument that the "bible is...clear on homosexuality".

    You could perhaps begin by explaining the etymology of the original words that are now translated as homosexual*.

    Then, I would love to hear you expound your views on why the Holiness codes of Leviticus, which were exclusively followed by Israelite priests, should now be followed by everyone several thousand years later.

    Finally, please shed some light on how it is possible that you have such confidence and apparent expert knowledge on a topic that is still HIGHLY debated between actual Biblical scholars.

    The Bible is not "clear" on this issue. There is ample room for debate, and yes an ample amount of good points to support positions similar to BIOLA's. But the same is true for positions similar to BQU's. May 16, 2013

  49. Randa Hinton

    Sallie,
    As one who knows how much you prayed over this, cried tears of exhaustion, and lost HOURS of sleep I want to affirm you. Your article is well written and was SO needed for our community. You chose to listen to God and not let the hostile comments of others affect you. WELL DONE!

    To whoever "Just A Thought" is, THANK YOU for sharing! I have never heard what you said explained that way and it gave me a lot to pray about!

    I am praying for all of my lesbian and gay friends at Biola who are struggling and let me apologize for the way we Christians have so often wrongly attacked and even bullied you.

    I challenge those of us who are Christians who don't struggle with homosexuality to love the way Christ has loved us. May 16, 2013

  50. John Gerdes

    What if all you religious people are wrong and homosexuals have been persecuted throughout the centuries for no good reason? Because odds are good that's the case. May 16, 2013

  51. Sarah Elizabeth Beckerle

    William and Tasha are two of the most deeply sacrificial God honoring souls I know. If you dare, get to know them and people like them in our community. Listen to them. Be willing to have your heart opened and changed. May 16, 2013

  52. Brandt Russo

    @JAKE FORSYTHE,
    I began to explain the origin and etymology of the word "homosexual" being used in the english translated canonized biblical text. I would absolutely love to continue to explain, "biblically", why I believe culturally monogamous homosexual relationships are not condemned by God nor by scripture, but I have to be honest. This type of virtual back and forth will get us no where.

    If you would like to grab coffee, I would be more than willing to chat and share my heart on the issue and the historical, etymological, and biblical evidence I have in support what we call "Side A" gay Christian.

    I look forward to hearing from you! My email is cantignorethepoor@gmail.com! Cheers! May 16, 2013

  53. Beth

    Jake -
    Some people have already briefly given examples of why they believe scripture does not condemn same sex relationships. There is so much that can be said, and to try to thoroughly defend this position via blog comment does not seem appropriate. It does not seem like you truly want to know and talk about it. To me it seems like you're assuming that people who are supportive are mindlessly going along with culture and they are not taking scripture seriously. If I have wrongly interpreted what you said earlier, I apologize. If you want to actually dialogue, I'd love to.

    To me, the Bible is not as clear on this issue as you have stated. It is seldom mentioned in scripture. And when it is, there are some serious translation issues. Jesus doesn't mention it. Not to mention, context does matter. Today the conversation is surrounding loving same sex relationships. There is no parallel in scripture. Homosexuality in the NT was connected to adultery, abuse, and cultic practice. No one is arguing for that today.

    Perhaps some gay Christians do not care what the Bible says and are happy to "twist" it. But I can promise you the majority of us live our lives with God's word at the forefront. We do not want to twist scripture. Many of us have taken hour upon hour to study, pray and wrestle with these scriptures. Many of us believe that the conversation is not as simple as it has traditionally been made out to be.

    My theology on this issue changed long before I chose to come out of the closet. If I truly believed I was in sin, I would not be out.
    May 16, 2013

  54. Jake Forsythe

    Kyle Greenberg, let's do this. Grounds that the bible is clear on homosexuality? Here are the verses that circumvent your point that Leviticus should not be followed- I completely agree, Jesus fulfilled that law. Here are the verses written after Jesus that still condemn it, which, by the reckoning of most contemporary biblical scholars, makes their stated positions valid, and in fact God's word, due to their coming from apostles.

    Romans 1
    That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with *women, burned with lust for each other.* Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

    1 Corinthians 6
    Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice *homosexuality,* or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

    1 Timothy 1
    Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice *homosexuality,* enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine.

    And then there's Jude, which references Sodom and Gomorrah as reflective of God's coming judgement on sexual perversion.

    I will address your points below, as I'm over the limit. May 16, 2013

  55. Jake Forsythe

    You said:
    "You could perhaps begin by explaining the etymology of the original words that are now translated as homosexual."
    While I could go get my Hebrew-Greek-English bible, I can do this in a much easier way. Look at the Romans verse. Do you see any mention of a specific word referring to homosexuality? No. It's a clear description of what is condemned. Man to man lust. It's called shameful. You can't misinterpret those words, they're direct translations of regular nouns, and they are standard across all widely accepted translations.

    You said:
    "Finally, please shed some light on how it is possible that you have such confidence and apparent expert knowledge on a topic that is still HIGHLY debated between actual Biblical scholars."
    Well, what makes an actual biblical scholar? A degree from a Christian university? That idea, of a scholarly class that can interpret scriptures and create laws based on the bible that directly contradict the scriptures is exactly what Jesus was railing against. Professing to be wise, they became fools. If you look at what is written, and how it has been interpreted by Christians for thousands of years, is it more likely that people have been wrong for all that time, or that, because in modernity it is more socially acceptable to include homosexuals in the church, everyone is trying their hardest to find excuses and loopholes for and within Christianity and Christian doctrine?

    Let me finish this by saying that I'm not trying to anger anyone- I just want to be clear that, to me at least, there isn't much room for homosexuality being accepted as a lifestyle for a born-again Christian based on the New Testament, short of hoop jumping on a fairly epic scale. May 16, 2013

  56. Brandt Russo

    @JAKE FORSYTHE,
    Im guessing thats a NO to coffee? ;) May 16, 2013

  57. Anney Snyder

    Jake, check out gaychristiansurbivors.org May 16, 2013

  58. Jake Forsythe

    @Brandt Russo
    Thank you so much for the invitation, it's everything I would expect from a genuine Christian who really believes in the bible and helping others. I truly do appreciate it. I'm actually agnostic about religion, so I don't think you'd really want to waste your time. I'm at the point where unless I see some proof, I'll just go on being as good of a person as I can be, because I do actually care about people.

    The reason I posted what I posted here was to get people to think. Nothing bugs me more than hypocrites, so if a Christian is going to hold that something reflects biblical Christianity, I want to know why they think that.

    Full disclosure- I had been a Christian my whole life, only within the last few months did I give it up. I realized I had no proof. Still have plenty of Christian Facebook friends though, that's how I ended up here. Sorry if it comes off as trolling, I really just want you guys to be thinking critically about what you believe. An agnostic can care about you, even if you may not believe it.
    Cheers. May 16, 2013

  59. Jonathan Kirchner

    Ditto David Truschel and Ryan Lunde.

    Love you Sarah Beckerle, William Haggerty, and Sabina Timothy (I just saw her face in the yearbook)!!!

    Chesterton for life! May 16, 2013

  60. Justin Miller

    Nothing good comes in an argument/debate from attacking individuals; it simply causes hostility and does NOT reflect a biblical defense. If we are going to argue for what we believe to be Christ-like, don't do so with words of poison and hate. I strongly disagree with the homosexual lifestyle. However, I also disagree with treating others like crap. Brothers and sisters, think and PRAY through your words.

    This issue (and yes, I carefully choose the word "issue" because it is something that MUST be confronted within the Christian community as sin to be dealt with) is saddening to me. This saddens me because Scripture does not support homosexuality, but yet it is becoming acceptable within the Church and Christian communities. This is clear in MANY places in the Bible: the creation of man and woman, the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah, the letters of Paul, etc. There is not Scriptural support for the homosexuality within the Church.

    With that said, we must also be careful of our treatment of the gay community as a Church. As Christians, we are to treat EVERYONE with love. I do not believe that homosexuality is something that should be accepted in the Church (it is not something to be equated with class, gender, or race as issues the Church has worked through in the past). However, the gay community is not a community that Christians need to go to war with.

    To the Biolans who are part of the gay community (as a lifestyle, not a struggle), you must understand that the Bible speaks clearly about homosexuality, and it should, therefore, not be seen as an acceptable lifestyle within the Church or Christian establishments such as Biola. I am more than willing to stand by those who are STRUGGLING with homosexuality in the Christian community. I am more than willing to help those in the gay lifestyle understand the teachings in Scripture that deal with this issue. I am NOT willing to accept homosexuality as a regular and diverse part of the body of believers.

    It must also be made clear that homosexuality is not to be the only lifestyle not allowed in the Church (in other words, I am not singling out one community). If a friend of mine were to start having sex with his girlfriend, I would not just stand by and let it be. If he were to continue having sex with her without any intentions to change his lifestyle, I have no doubt that the Church would need to take action on this issue. If he were to recognize his actions as sin and make an effort to change his lifestyle, I would stand by him, encourage him, and keep him accountable. I say the same about those in the gay lifestyle.

    ... May 16, 2013

  61. Justin Miller

    To those who hold my view of homosexuality, heed James 3:9-10, that says, "With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness.Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be." To those who are in agreement with the gay lifestyle within the Church and Christian communities (and to all those who claim to be true Christ followers), hear what Paul says in Galatians 2:19-20, "For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me", and what Jesus says in Luke 9:21-22, to his disciples. He says, " Then he said to them all: 'Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it.'" May 16, 2013

  62. Adrianne Camacho

    I am a student at APU and as a fellow Christian student, I am so proud of BQU and everyone involved. Thank you for making yourselves vulnerable for the sake of the LGBTQ community. Stay positive and keep inspiring. You are doing God's work, don't let anyone convince you otherwise.
    Adrianne Camacho May 16, 2013

  63. A little bit confused...

    I'm going to preface my next few questions with this: I am in no way attempting to be hurtful, bash, or belittle my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. I honestly just have questions that no one seems to be able to answer, and it's frustrating because I truly am trying to educate myself on this issue. Alright, here it goes:
    #1. I think the "all love is equal" and arguments that stem from sentiment (i.e., the intense love and passion you feel for that person of the same sex) should not be used. Here's why: Meet Mark. Mark is a 45 year old man who, secretly, identifies himself with the other men of NAMBLA. Mark's neighbor has a 16 year-old son whom he has spent a lot of time with. Mark has grown especially fond of this boy. In fact, he loves him. He has a deep love for this boy and desires to be with him emotionally and sexually. He can't help the way he feels...he loves him, and nothing can change it. If the boy begins to express the same sentiments, is that okay? After all, why would God give him those desires? All love is equal.
    #2. I, too, have not been able to understand the physical constrictions that accompany a homosexual lifestyle. I've read about the abuse to the human body that results from the unnatural use of certain body parts. Is this simply something one must "deal with" when pursuing intercourse within a homosexual lifestyle?
    #3. The "Jesus never said it," Argument needs to go. I've seen the LGBTQ community/supporters call the other side ignorant - don't call the kettle black.
    #4. I can't understand how there could possibly be any other interpretation for Romans 1:26-28. If there is one, can someone please share?
    Thank you in advance. May 16, 2013

  64. Spencer Camp

    This is not a discussion. Homosexuality is a sin. And the Gospel cures people from the power and penalty of sin.
    -We are all born into sin (e.g. homosexuality, anger, lying, cheating...)
    -Christians are people that: 1.) Repent (turn away from their sins (including homosexuality), and 2.) Faith (trust that Christ's perfect life, death, and resurrection satisfies restoring a broken relationship with God.)

    -Love is calling sin sin and helping people put away sin to be restored to a right relationship with God (with gentleness and respect)
    -Hate is calling sin a good thing and ushering a person towards God's judgement.

    If this LGBQ Biola Underground group shows something, it shows that a lot of students misunderstand the Gospel. The Gospel doesn't save people so they can keep on sinning, God saves people so they can stop. May 16, 2013

  65. Friend

    Speaking as a friend of Tasha's I'm so proud of her amazing courage and great strength. I know it must have been a lot for her to put this group together.

    Although, I don't entirely agree with her position on homosexuality. I love her anyway. I probably love her more now. She is so dear to me and full life.

    I feel that the appropriate response is to listen and love.

    Tasha is one of the most courageous women I know, gay or not. This article is written very nicely to showcase the story. Thanks Sallie. May 16, 2013

  66. Brandt Russo

    @SPENCER CAMP
    I have a question for you, brother. Have you sold everything you owned and given it to beggars as Jesus commanded ALL who followed Him in the book of Luke? May 16, 2013

  67. RE: Spencer Camp

    No, I'm sorry, hate is something that is brooded out of close mindedness, fear, and misunderstanding. Who are you to say where God's judgement lies? Or what God's desires are for anyone? Your judgement is not the same as God's.

    I'm so happy about this article, BQU is doing amazing things for this school that is so overrun with complacency and insincerity. Looking at the world- actually, looking at PEOPLE from one close minded perspective and refusing to empathize and see their struggles and where they are coming from leads to hate. Biola should not be a place of hate. May 16, 2013

  68. You're all members of a dangerous cult

    Take some time and actually learn about the writing of the bible, how it was written and how it came to be the orthodox view of most Christians. Take the time to read the whole bible and ask yourself are these things really possible with the laws of thermodynamics, biology, and physics. None of what you believe is backed up by facts and evidence. That being said it is a big thing to consider before lashing out and trying to run certain individuals out of town. If you want to hate someone, you need to have some actual facts and reasons to, not just a bunch of fairy tales that have either been dis proven by history and archeology or likely to never have occured at all. May 16, 2013

  69. Robin Dembroff

    Tasha and Will,

    I am so proud of you guys. I hope that you continue to be a voice of charity, love and humility on and around the Biola community.

    Your friend,
    Robin May 16, 2013

  70. Brandt Russo

    Brandt Russo:

    I'm glad you brought that up, if you're referring to The Rich Young Ruler in Matthew 19, because four years ago after I heard that passage I realized I was a sinner in need of a savior and I became a Christian. It was the best day of my life and that passage is very personal to me.

    But remember the context.
    "Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

    He says "if you would be perfect...[than go sell all you have.]" The whole point of the passage is that the Rich Young Ruler thinks that he's good enough to get into heaven (recall that in the verses before he says that he's followed all the commandments perfectly and then asks Jesus what he still lacks).

    Jesus, telling the man to sell all he has and give it to the poor is another way of saying: "there's no way you've followed all of the commandments even for a second. Go sell everything you have if you really believe you've done that (which Jesus obviously knows he isn't going to do that—because he's not followed the commmandments)"

    See,
    The Gospel is this: Jesus fulfilled the commandments perfectly because I couldn't.

    The Gospel is also this: Jesus was crucified on the cross to put to death the Power and Penalty of sins in my life so I could progressively stop sinning.

    The Gospel is also this: Jesus was resurrected so that I, as a (resurrected) person can have a new life in Him, free from the power and penalty of sin (because sin's been put to death).

    When Christians have a New Life—the Old is Gone (the lifestyle of sin) and the New Life comes in (the lifestyle of righteousness).

    Of course, it's not perfection, it's a new direction.

    That is the Gospel. May 16, 2013

  71. i dont have to put one

    here i was excited to read then article and thank the creators of this group a thank you for doing what most wont do, and extending open loving arms to a community who needs it. Instead what do i find arguments on who understands the bible better than the other and name calling behind anon names. This is an example of whats wrong with this college, you talk about "community" when really its cliques and other than that Biola is mostly made up of kids who think theyre still in high school.

    This is real.
    This is a problem.
    Instead of calling names and blaming people for why youre leaving Biola why not try and help those around you. May 16, 2013

  72. Spencer Camp

    Sorry, I accidentally wrote the name Brandt Russo, when my name's Spencer Camp ^ May 16, 2013

  73. Margaret Jacobsen

    I've never been prouder to have been a student at Biola than right now at this moment. I've seen so many friends leave Biola because they've been discriminated against again and again. A place that we were told was safe & loving, but really wasnt. Thank you for standing up and making it so. Thank you for your courage. Thank you for living out what the bible teaches, what Jesus came to teach us. You are blessing SO many people. Continue this. May 16, 2013

  74. Mary LaDale Smith

    Are we talking about sex or are we talking about creating a family as God intended? I was a sinner when I was experimenting with sex and I am a sinner now. I don't hate anyone. Why did God create life through a penis and a vagina? There a lot of heterosexuals who live together and are not married. Is that good for children? Is it good for children to have a mother and a father? May 16, 2013

  75. Eve Bakar

    Jesus, please help us. May 16, 2013

  76. Robin Dembroff

    Dear Mary Ladale Smith,

    You asked, "Is it good for children to have a mother and a father?"

    I think the clear answer is, "Yes."

    But I think you meant to ask something like, "Is it as good for children to have same-sex parents as to have a mother and a father?"

    So let me help.

    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2013/03/18/peds.2013-0377

    "Extensive data available from more than 30 years of research reveal that children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma. Many studies have demonstrated that children's well-being is affected much more by their relationships with their parents, their parents' sense of competence and security, and the presence of social and economic support for the family than by the gender or the sexual orientation of their parents. Lack of opportunity for same-gender couples to marry adds to families’ stress, which affects the health and welfare of all household members. Because marriage strengthens families and, in so doing, benefits children’s development, children should not be deprived of the opportunity for their parents to be married. Paths to parenthood that include assisted reproductive techniques, adoption, and foster parenting should focus on competency of the parents rather than their sexual orientation."

    Best,
    Robin May 16, 2013

  77. BQU confused on biblical interpretation?

    BQU members desperately need to take Bib Interp. May 16, 2013

  78. Keshia Fulmer

    All these above comments are ridiculous. Every single last one. Whether your born in it or it becomes a desire its still there so who cares where it came from or where its going? Everyone tries to say who is going to heaven and who's not. How do we know if God ever excepted a gay person into heaven. That's right we don't. How do we know if God accepted Mother Teresa into heaven. That's right we don't. We can say what we want to say but if someone chooses something else there is nothing we can do. As long as we say something. Whatever you personally as a Christian believe that to be. You can't give salvation or take it back so step back and stop trying to be God for a second gees.

    Whatever happened to love....did everyone forget about that or does that just fly out the window just now? May 16, 2013

  79. Rob Ehle

    As a 1980 alum who had his best friend "come out" to him in a Biola dorm before that phrase had even come into currency, and who freaked out, and whose friend tried for earnest decades of "therapy" to change what he was until he finally went on an antidepressant and decided what he was was what God had made him (and changed his therapist's mind, as well, if I recollect) . . . Tasha and William: you are my heroes. Others who are deeply troubled by this development at your school, I feel your fear and pain. You know what? It'll be ok. Thirty years from now, your children will be saying, "Yeah, I can't believe people thought the Bible said that." The same way your great grandparents thought the Bible said women needed to stay at home, and your great great great grandparents quoted Scripture to keep slaves from running away from their masters. May 16, 2013

  80. Phil

    I find it amusing how many comments this has generated in one day.

    When I was a teenager I read the Bible in English which convinced me to decide to choose to be straight and pursue a heterosexual lifestyle.

    Ha.

    Thanks for the good work, Underground. May 16, 2013

  81. RE: JUST A THOUGHT

    I agree wholeheartedly with this answer. The Bible makes it clear that homosexuality is another sin, and should be dealt with accordingly. However, there isn't and never was a Biblical basis for hatred or singling out for those who have homosexual thoughts in the Christian community. We are guilty of our own sins.

    Overall, the homosexuality issue shouldn't be as big of an issue as it is, but culture has done that to the Christian community. We need to accept it for the sin that is, and move on, but continue to help/pray for those struggling with homosexual desires at the same time, and direct them towards the redeeming love of Christ.

    I don't mean to offend anybody supportive of or part of the gay Christian community, but the discussion has begun here, and I wanted to contribute my opinion. May 16, 2013

  82. Biolan Alumna

    I find it interesting that we as Christians, even at a Biblical College, do not look critically at the Bible and recognize that there are many things mentioned in the Bible that taken out of context we would now consider complete immoral and "evil"(e.g. the raping of Lot's daughters, killing of innocent children in conquering lands in Old testament and even the polygamy of men after God's own heart such as David and Solomon. There was a time when relations between relatives was "ok" by the Bible, and forcing a rape victim to marry her perpetrator was the "right" thing to do. So before people just use the Bible as the clear marker of what's right or wrong, I think we as Christian's should ask ourselves what we value more dearly, God and his heart for humanity or "his" words. After all, God being eternal and mysterious couldn't possibly be completely embodied by one body of writings. Therefore, a Christian should consider, if his/her allegiance is to God not just a group of people or teachings, that maybe there is more to it than what we have been taught about the Bible. Maybe the thing that we can know for sure is that God really is love and just. That justice consists of protecting life and loving others. Maybe the word of God was inspired AND dynamic. Even while at Biola, most professors will tell you that you have to take scripture in context and even then, when things don't seem to apply perfectly, great good and instruction can be extracted. I truly believe God can speak through the Bible, but I believe he speaks even louder through his people in showing, above all, Love. May 16, 2013

  83. Anonymous

    I don't know how it can get any clearer than Romans 1:18-32. HOMOSEXUALITY IS A DETESTABLE SIN

    Romans 1:18-32
    But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.... Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

    So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.

    That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

    Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (NLT)
    May 16, 2013

  84. Michael Ottenad

    I know my words are small and minuscule and may not mean much in comparison to the experiences you've all had and dealt with over the years, but I'm sorry. I'm sorry that the Christian community, through its various stages of development and denominational splits, has always held a hand in persecuting you, my brothers and sisters. Though I feel confident in my conviction that homosexuality is a sin, I can not say with the same confidence that the church has truly loved you, that I have truly loved you. Many of my friends were in the graduating class of the BQU, and I love you all dearly. The specifics on theology and views of whether or not homosexuality is wrong will eventually happen, but for now, the specifics can wait. Healing needs to happen, and I want to be apart of it. May 16, 2013

  85. Tiffany Gilmore

    Sallie,

    Thank you so much for writing this article. As someone who spent 4 1/2 years at Biola, I understand the politics and red tape that the university is filled with. I can't imagine it was easy for you to tackle this piece with so many loud, objecting/supportive voices in your ears. But you truly did a great job of writing the piece with class and grace. You've given the BQU an amazing platform to step into the public and out from the veil. I'm really awed by the bravery of those who have come forward. They're no longer just a "movement" or an "underground group" the church can ignore or marginalize. They're people and professing believers in Christ and we as a body must affirm them in their humanity and individuality regardless of your view on homosexuality.

    Thank you for continuing the conversation. May 16, 2013

  86. Ryan

    OneEastern stands with Biola Queer Underground. Stay strong! May 16, 2013

  87. A POOR DISCRIMINATED AND MARGINALIZED VOICE!

    As a scientologist and a Christian I am constantly SUUFFERING! I always hear biolans dismissing my beliefs!

    The bible is a very vague and contradictory book. It is my personal choice to accept both Christ and Ronald Hubbard as Lord! And scientology is not a sin! It is very compatible with the Bible. We could all learn allot from each other. For example, did you know that 747 planes populated the earth?

    Why is the biola admin so DISMISSIVE and PREJUDICED????? I demand that the philosophy faculty acknowledge that Christians can believe that we came from aliens AND God.

    I am promoting scientology because I LOVE the university and Christianity!!!!!!!!! I want all thetan Christians to achieve dianetic fulness and reach higher levels of purity.

    ROSEMEAD school of psychology has refused to give a class on scientologists psychology. I am protesting their narrow and prejudiced views!!!!!!!!!!!!!! May 16, 2013

  88. Anonymous Heart

    it is true that the Lord our God gave us laws in the Old testament that are now, to us, a structure of obedience to him. I know you said you looked at the debate for this within the Bible, but in Leviticus 18:22 it clearly states that this sin is not only wrong but "detestable". I am not claiming this in an angry tone but in one that is loving. And i only hope that you are trying to serve the Lord your God in the way HE wants you to and not how YOU want to. May 16, 2013

  89. Anonymous Heart

    Do you believe in the authority of Christ and the scripture that is God-Breathed? May 16, 2013

  90. Christian

    My friend shared your site with me when I came out to her after I graduated from school. I am so excited that your group has come out, visible and available to spread awareness as an act of love to the Body which clearly needs help learning how to love. I wish I knew of a group like thise while I was in school. Definitely wish your ministry the best! May 16, 2013

  91. Tim

    Besides praying for these students, that have identified themselves with the Biola Queer Underground, please pray for their families as well. May 16, 2013

  92. Mike

    I want to start by saying I've known Tasha personally. Not as well in recent years, but I've gotten glimpses of her heart. She is a wonderful person, driven, and full of love and compassion.

    While I don't agree with the interpretations of scripture used by the underground movement, I would not try to force my understanding onto them.

    My biggest problem, which goes for people on both sides of this debate, is that we are finding our identity in things other than Christ. We are placing sexual orientation, conservative values, progressiveness, social justice, and other factors higher than the one thing that matters: God, and being found in Him.

    And a side caveat for those who say "I used to be a Christian, but now I'm not because of these judgmental people." You probably never really were a Christian. If you knew God, how could you possibly walk away from Him, considering He is the maker and sustainer of all things. That would be like a baby insisting he can take care of himself. You are not the first person who feels persecuted.

    To summarize: Love God more than your sexual identity or conservative affiliation. And I end by saying what I said at the beginning, I think the people in this movement are legitimately great people, though I disagree with the movement as a whole. Don't you dare call yourself a Christian and attack these beloved children of God. May 16, 2013

  93. Natalie Tinnerman

    William and Tasha are two of the most loving, kind, sacrificial people I know. They have taught me more about Christ's love (the heart of the gospel) than any chapel or class at Biola has. As Biola has made me feel increasingly alienated from Christianity and the gospel, they have remained faithful, always pointing me back toward Christ. I urge you, before you attempt to make any sort of point, universal statement, or assumption, to be sure you really know who you are talking about and who actually comprises the group you aim to criticize. The only assumption you should make is that these people love Christ with the same depth and passion that you do. I can attest that William and Tasha do, and I know many other people who fall under the LGBT umbrella who are not delusional sinners, but deeply believing and serving Christ-followers. May 17, 2013

  94. Barack Obama

    Wait, why are gays even going to Biola if it seems to be such a spiritual battlefield? There are thousands of schools that could provide LGBT students much more accepting atmospheres to learn in (learning is why you are in college right?). I think the article stirs up good discussion about open-mindedness on campus, but at the end of the day, it should not be the BQU's duty to protest classic understanding of scripture (which they may not intend to, but they are). We don't need gays to make us challenge scripture. Scripture is challenging enough in itself. I find a lack of humility in the BQU. You have the right to study at any school, so make an educated choice to study somewhere where you won't be getting under people's skin to prove a point. May 17, 2013

  95. Greg Barnes

    I congratulate Tasha and Will for their courage and bravery. You are not alone in your struggle. Please know that there are MANY other students, faculty and alumni at conservative Christian universities who believe that you are wholly acceptable...JUST AS YOU ARE. Please check out our website: safesamford.org or our FB page: Samford Alumni, Students and Faculty for LGBT Equality. Times are changing. Just as slavery, racial dicrimination, treatment of women, and inter-racial marriage laws were justified by biblical scripture, they have now been relegated to the dustbin of human history. And so it will be with bigoted attitudes towards the LGBT community. May God be with you. May 17, 2013

  96. Joe

    Romans 1:26-27
    This is just one of the many verses that clearly states homosexuality as a sin. Saying that the apostles were mistaken doesnt work, for being that God chose the writers of the Bible, you would be saying that God is wrong. By the way, the idea that its the same thing as racism, is a argument long lost and dead. Many have the illusion that the Bible should get with the times, rather that the times should get with the Bible.

    Side note: I notice how when people disagree with homosexuality, we're bigots. For disagreeing. -_- This is a Christian university, why not go to, oh, i dont know, a non-Christian University, to preach anti-Christian ideas?
    peace. May 17, 2013

  97. Steve Rouse

    Admittedly, I'm an outsider. I have no connection with Biola, since I teach up the highway at Pepperdine. So I realize that I don't have the benefit of knowing the conversations that have happened on campus. However, it seems to me that BQU is not raising arguments about sexual behavior. They are simply and courageously being open about their identities.

    A lot of Christians automatically merge discussions of sexual behavior and sexual identities together. These are two entirely different facets of human life. While it is true that some gay Christians believe that God will sanctify a loving, committed, monogamous relationship between two people regardless of their sex, other gay Christians believe that they are called to a life of celibacy, and there are numerous other views as well.

    Many of the previous comments-- especially those that quickly resort to condemning homosexuality-- are simplistically making assumptions about people. It is valid to have conversations on a Christian campus about whether or not sexual behavior (straight or gay) between unmarried people is a part of God's plan. It is also valid to have conversations on a Christian campus about the ways in which all facets of each person's unique identity can be molded by the potter's hands to live a life that glorifies God. But these are two separate conversations, and both conversations should be held in a tone of love and respect. Simply whipping out scriptures to condemn someone else is simplistic and unloving. May 17, 2013

  98. L.C.

    Two amazing people. And, whether you agree with them or not, the fact is, they created a safe space for LGBTQ students when Biola did not. I applaud them. May 17, 2013

  99. Kyle

    I thought the Chimes was supposed to be a reflection of Biola. This seems a little too Rah rah underground to be a reflection of something the university obviously views is contrary to Biblical teaching in every way May 17, 2013

  100. Elizabeth Sallie

    Kyle,

    I totally hear and appreciate your concern. I hope that reading my letter will help explain the purpose of this article and why I think this still reflects Biola in some way.

    If you have further concerns, please let me know. I'd be happy to meet up and explain my decision process a bit more. :)

    Blessings,
    --elizabeth sallie // editor-in-chief '11-'13 May 17, 2013

  101. John Q.

    I think my friend Jake Forsythe, the temporary agnostic, got it pretty close in his post #'s 54 & 55 above.


    Some self-proclaimed Christians argue the Bible is not 'crystal clear'.

    Where there is clarity, sufficiency, they'd argue context.

    Where context is fitting, they'd argue 'translation problem'.

    Where translation is sound, 'errancy'.

    A 'pick-and-choose' ensues; Truth caves to culture, personal preference, individual choice. Self will. Defiance. Habitual sin.

    And because they did not think it worthwhile to keep knowing God fully, God delivered them to degraded minds to perform acts that should not be done.

    Christian, you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among who all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

    But God..






    May 17, 2013

  102. Susan Cottrell

    I have been blogging on this topic to try to bridge the gap -- like you, it was in obedience to God's leading. http://freedhearts.org PLEASE check it out. I got pushback and I'm a straight Christian mom of a former Biola student. Love your courage. Bless you! May 17, 2013

  103. Something about the church

    So is the love of Christ just some idea that we all talk about in our Bible classes? This is hardly a discussion, and it is more like a rampage of bitter emotion. I now understand why they created the BQU. Look at yourselves and your comments. Look at your conversations with your friends and the gossip behind closed doors. How is this a safe environment? When has the church become the resemblance of an empirical survival-of-the-fittest shark tank? Check why you actually believe what you believe, because it seems that we have forgotten the crux of the matter, which is Christ and his call to follow. May 17, 2013

  104. Arlin Edmondson

    Jesus rescues the sinner from his sins; he does not affirm a sinner in their sins.

    "This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."
    (1 John 1:5-10, ESV)

    If you claim you are without sin,
    you are a liar.

    If you deny that homosexual behaviour is sinful, you deny the Jesus who died to save sinners from their sins.

    These folks can talk all day long about how much they love Jesus and love the Church, but if they are walking in darkness, their words and feeling and actions are all lies.

    The saddest thing of all, they believe their own lies because they have been lying to themselves first.

    Tasha Magness claims that she received conviction and revelation from God telling her to promote acceptance of homosexuality and homosexual relationships on this campus.

    This is in direct conflict with the word of God, yet she believed what she claims 'god told her' rather than what God has 'told all' in the scriptures.

    Her position is convenient, her understanding self serving. These are not the acts of a humble servant but rather one who is arrogantly and boldly demanding the Church conform itself to her feelings.

    Demanding BIOLA not simply be loving towards those who have homosexual feelings, but rather that BIOLA accept homosexuality and affirm homosexual relationships is not passivity, it is not loving, it is not humble, it is, rather, the epitome of pride and arrogant aggression.

    Nothing is more arrogant or aggressive than a micro-minority demanding the super-majority rewrite everything they believe and reject their convictions to conform to the micro-minorities feelings.

    For example: apartheid in South Africa.
    Forcing the majority, the extreme majority, to conform to the will of the micro-minority.

    That is the most unloving of things.

    Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
    (1 Corinthians 13:4-7, ESV)

    Is BIOLA Queer Underground loving?
    No.

    They are the most hateful group on campus; because they insist on their own way, rejoice in wrongdoing, and despise the truth of scripture in the most intimate matters of human reality.

    May 17, 2013

  105. Arlin Edmondson

    Also, by the way, if anyone believes that the arguments claiming that whole of Christian scripture does not clearly condemn homosexual behaviour itself as sin have any weight whatsoever:

    I publicly challenge all advocates of such arguments, that the Bible doesn't clearly describe homosexuality as sin, to a public formal debate on BIOLA's campus anytime and anywhere next semester.

    A formal debate of this nature would include:

    -A moderator.

    -Equal time to both sides.

    -Opening statements no shorter than 15 minutes.

    -Rebuttals to the opening statements.

    -Moderated Cross-Examination with equal time given to each side to question the other.

    -2nd set of rebuttals.

    -Closing statements of a duration no shorter than 15 minutes.

    -The first person to present will be decided by a flip of a coin by the moderator.

    These are my only stipulations.

    May 17, 2013

  106. A

    I didn't read all the comments but most of the comments are not hostile towards the gay community.

    As a church body at Biola we are really loving and embracing of EVERYONE. We get that the goal is the love the sinner and hate the sin.

    Commenting saying we need to love all is really repetitive, obviously we ALL want that! It is part of knowing Jesus, knowing his heart!

    But that isn't the issue.

    The issue at stake right now is if we will stand up. Or if we will bend.

    If we will fall back on pressure and say, 'well, this area is too emotionally loaded, I give in, I guess homosexuality is OK'
    ^^ YIKES.
    It isn't.
    We all have temptations, but when we meditate on them,grow them, and act on them it is sin.
    Plain as day.

    Please don't 'Pick a side.'
    Go find out God's side, Jesus' heart, revealed in the BIBLE. Not revealed in what people want it to be.

    And if you indeed find that homosexuality is a sin, as said in the Bible, then stick to it. No wishy washy christians.

    Loving? YES. Obedient to God? YES.
    The two can coexist.


    May 18, 2013

  107. Ella

    I am exclusively attracted to older married men. I always have been. I was born this way, and I've known since I was five years old that I was an adulteress, but I have just know finally come out. It has been hard for my family and friends and especially the church to accept the way I am, but this IS who I am and the way God made me. Who are they to judge me for who I love? Where in the Bible does it say that adultery is wrong? Anyone who says so is reading the Bible in a narrow-minded way and taking it out of context. There are tons of examples - David, Solomon, Abraham - of non-monogamous relationships in the Bible and God accepted them. Monogamy is simply NOT the only right way to love in the Bible. I feel in my heart that this is the way that God made me, because there is something about a man being married to someone else that makes me desire him and I am simply NOT attracted to single men. I know above all else that God wants me to be happy in this world and fulfill my desires. I hope that there will soon be an Adulterers' Pride Month and an Adulterers' Alliance and Adulterers' Club, so I as an adulterous can experience the support I need to be the person who God made me and live my loving lifestyle. We as adulterers are subject to so much hate and persecution, especially from the church, and this needs to stop.

    [TONGUE IN CHEEK]

    So what is the difference, my friends? Please don't be blind. May 18, 2013

  108. Brandt Russo

    Arlin,
    Why not go out and love on some homeless folks or something? With all that energy and righteous zeal, you really could change the world! It will make much more of a difference than spewing pious words and accusing others of hate :) I guarantee!

    I also believe those truly fighting for equality and shalom will simply refuse to debate you because we don't earnestly don't want to debate. We are sick and tired of debate. If you want to enter into relationship via dialogue and hours logged in fellowship, you are welcomed with open arms... but if you simply want to prove us wrong, there are plenty of others who are just as willing to go tit for tat with you! (And yes, I am including myself as part of the BQU "we" because they have become my brothers and sisters through time).

    When you get tired of bullet points and words sharp as arrows, and simply want to hear hearts and compassionately share in the suffering of those marginalized by modern Christianity, we're here!

    May we all be willing to continue to fight to live as blessed peacemakers and ambassadors of the Kingdom of Heaven on earth. May 18, 2013

  109. anney snyder

    What I find interesting is that individuals against equality and homosexuality are so gung ho to debate it and "prove us wrong" and be adamant that their side is right. You don't agree. That's fine. Just don't agree. I don't get where all the energy is coming from. May 18, 2013

  110. Cody Nord

    @Brandt Russo

    The question is how does BQU want to be loved? How does BQU feel Biola can love LGBTQ students on campus?

    If BQU wants Biola to love LGBTQ students by accepting their life style and supporting them in it, then I do not think BQU will feel much "love", nor do I think that would be loving by Biola to do that. To orthodox Christians, that would be loving and supporting one in continuing sin.

    If BQU wants Biola to love them by being open to the idea that their interpretation of Scripture is wrong, that is fine and good for the Church at large. We need to be critical and think deeply about how we interpret Scripture, no matter what it pertains to. As you do this though, as Biola re-looks at these passages, know that Biola has already done this and supported orthodox teaching. You must accept that. You can call for Biola to look at their interpretation as much as you want, but Biola has made their decision. As much as you don't like it, it is what Biola has decided.

    So my question to you and to the larger BQU is what do you want from Biola? May 18, 2013

  111. Joseph

    @Cody Nord—

    Bingo! May 18, 2013

  112. Arlin Edmondson

    Every time I have ever asked Brandt Russo this question, he has refused to answer:


    Brandt Russo:
    Is the whole of the Old Testament the God-Breathed Word of Jesus Christ, the revelation of the eternal God, the message of the coming King, inspired every part and without inerrant?

    Does God command and rule in the warfare and the peace? Or is your God made in your image, the image of pacifism and wealth redistribution, the two most violent ideologies ever to exist? May 18, 2013

  113. ARLIN EDMONDSON

    ANNEY SNYDER:
    "What I find interesting is that individuals against equality and homosexuality are so gung ho to debate it and "prove us wrong" and be adamant that their side is right."

    First of all, this has nothing to do with 'equality'.


    "You don't agree. That's fine. Just don't agree. I don't get where all the energy is coming from."

    From groups like the BQU that are trying to force us all to agree with them instead, and claim the scriptures don't mean certain things, regardless of the clarity of the words in their context.

    May 18, 2013

  114. Holy crap, people.

    Looking at many of these comments remind me of why I am no longer a Christian, and feel and honest hatred towards a lot of Christian practices. So far, being gay has been compared to adultery and scientology, Arlin has gone batshit crazy with commenting and decided that he knows all, as well as surmising the pacifism is one of the two "single most violent ideologies ever to exist", and many different people have gone straight to the condemnation and judgment.
    I realize that many of the people at Biola believe in predestination, so I guess I "never was a Christian who truly knew God" but here is the thing. I was. I loved God. I loved the church. I felt closer to God than ever in high school. Then Biola happened, and this happened. And now I am disgusted by the mention of Christianity, and am not sure what I believe about God. Think about what you say, and the God of love you are pretending to talk for. And please, think about the people who need love, not judgment. May 18, 2013

  115. Arlin Edmondson

    HCP said:
    "as well as surmising the pacifism is one of the two "single most violent ideologies ever to exist", "

    Pacifists only exist in societies where the violent protect them from harm from those who would exploit their refusal to

    The most extreme forms of pacifism would refuse to protect the innocent from the abuser.

    That is true violence, allowing evil to prevail, and doing nothing.

    It is violence against love,
    for Love protects. May 18, 2013

  116. Jon

    Wasn't divorce once seen as something socially unacceptable and biblically wrong (didn't Jesus talk about this - Matt 19:9)? I know a number of Biola couples that have gotten divorced. We allow divorced people to get remarried. Should we? Aren't people who remarry after going through divorce living in adultery (unless infidelity was involved)? Is it inconsistent for us to bar our gay brothers and sisters from living in loving monogamous relationships when we allow divorced people to live in "adultery"? If we're worried about the collapse of our society, isn't divorce of heterosexuals a greater malady? My point here is aimed at those who claim to take a hard line regarding "sin" in the church. If we want to target one group as sinful, are we willing to target everyone? I think there are some inconsistencies we're going to have to address, but it's much easier to blame people that are "other" and go on our merry way. May 19, 2013

  117. Arlin Edmondson

    Jon:
    "Wasn't divorce once seen as something socially unacceptable and biblically wrong (didn't Jesus talk about this - Matt 19:9)?"

    It is wrong, Biblically, and God hates divorce.

    Divorce, for any reason other than sexual immorality, abandonment, or abuse is abject sin.

    "And this second thing you do. You cover the Lord's altar with tears, with weeping and groaning because he no longer regards the offering or accepts it with favor from your hand. But you say, “Why does he not?” Because the Lord was witness between you and the wife of your youth, to whom you have been faithless, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant. Did he not make them one, with a portion of the Spirit in their union? And what was the one God seeking? Godly offspring. So guard yourselves in your spirit, and let none of you be faithless to the wife of your youth. “For the man who does not love his wife but divorces her, says the Lord, the God of Israel, covers his garment with violence, says the Lord of hosts. So guard yourselves in your spirit, and do not be faithless.”"(Malachi 2:13-16, ESV)


    "Is it inconsistent for us to bar our gay brothers and sisters from living in loving monogamous relationships when we allow divorced people to live in "adultery"?"

    Homosexual behaviour goes against the natural order of creation. God made man male and female, it was not good that man should be alone, therefore he made woman.
    A helper that is correspondent to him.

    "Gay Christianity" Refuted:
    http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=5086

    "If we're worried about the collapse of our society, isn't divorce of heterosexuals a greater malady?"

    Yes. Especially no-fault-divorce.
    Opposing both is consistency.
    I seek consistency.

    "My point here is aimed at those who claim to take a hard line regarding "sin" in the church. If we want to target one group as sinful, are we willing to target everyone?"

    I target myself first. May 19, 2013

  118. Arlin Edmondson

    Another responsive to common claims regarding pro-homosexual 'christian' argumentation:

    http://www.choosinghats.com/2013/05/christian-homosexuals/

    May 19, 2013

  119. Lauren

    Honestly, many of you claim to be Christians. Then go on to make people feel hated. How are you showing the love of Christ by making people feel hated and violently shoving them away from Him with your words?
    Love cannot disguise itself. If people feel hated by you, it's not love. Love shines, it cannot be hidden. Love should be put on display for the world, as Jesus did. If people cannot see love in you, and see hate, you are not loving others.
    Arlin, you do not know these people personally. The fact you think you are so righteous that you have the right to go around speaking so hatefully, let me remind you of one thing- who did Jesus condemn? The people who were honestly searching or people like the Pharisees (aka, you) who thought they knew all and treated others harshly? Maybe you should pick up a Bible and look at what Jesus and Paul say about speaking with a sharp tongue. May 19, 2013

  120. Arlin Edmondson

    Lauren,
    I find it both sad and amusing when people accuse me of being hateful or judgmental by judging me and calling me things like 'Pharisee'.

    The Pharisees cared more about popularity than truth. This is what Jesus hated about them. They liked to please the crowd.

    What I say makes me rather unpopular.

    " the Pharisees (aka, you) "
    Judgmental? Yeah, that is judgement.
    Maybe you should seek more consistency.

    "who did Jesus condemn"

    "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.” - Jesus
    (John 3:18-21, ESV)

    "Arlin, you do not know these people personally."

    Yes I do.
    And those who I don't have refused to meet me in person.

    "The fact you think you are so righteous that you have the right to go around speaking so hatefully"

    You don't know what hate actually is.
    You couldn't pick it out from a crowd if you think what I have said is hateful.

    I have seen hate face to face.

    May 20, 2013

  121. ARLIN EDMONDSON

    PS:
    "How are you showing the love of Christ by making people feel hated and violently shoving them away from Him with your words?"

    You know, Jesus tended to make the Pharisees feel hated... and if you read John 6, he really seemed to shove people away with his words.

    Perhaps accusing people who claim to be Christians with things Christ did... is not your best argument? May 20, 2013

  122. Sad

    Arlin,
    it's comments like yours that makes me question christianity. I have been a christian for all my life, and it's been up until this semester that I've started questioning Christianity. We are to show God's love to those who are sinners. You, obviously are not. If you are to win sinners over, telling them that they are disgusting and pointing out every single wrong of theirs is not the way to go. Yes, they may be sinning. Yes, they may be doing something against God's will. But we are to continue to show them God's love. Love is what truly wins them over. May 20, 2013

  123. ARLIN EDMONDSON

    "it's comments like yours that makes me question christianity. I have been a christian for all my life, and it's been up until this semester that I've started questioning Christianity."

    If my words, largely from the scriptures, can make you doubt your faith, maybe your lifelong faith wasn't really as genuine as you have convinced yourself?

    "If you are to win sinners over, telling them that they are disgusting"
    Which I have not done.

    "and pointing out every single wrong of theirs..."
    Which I have not done.

    If you are going to accuse me of something, please accuse me of what I am actually guilty of.

    If you believe identifying sin from the scripture is somehow unloving, then your understanding of 'love' is not in the name of the Christ:

    Jesus showed the love of God by confronting the woman at the well in her sin:
    "Jesus said to her, “Go, call your husband, and come here.” The woman answered him, “I have no husband.” Jesus said to her, “You are right in saying, ‘I have no husband’; for you have had five husbands, and the one you now have is not your husband. What you have said is true.”(John 4:16-18, ESV)

    And all mankind:
    "And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”
    (John 3:19-21, ESV)

    And:
    "And Jesus answered, “O faithless and twisted generation, how long am I to be with you? How long am I to bear with you? ...” (Matthew 17:17, ESV)

    Jesus confronted sin.
    If God is love, then this is loving.

    Your understanding of both 'love' and how to interact with people in their sins is based in the world and not in scripture. May 20, 2013

  124. Brian McKelvey

    The Chimes needs to start requiring people to log in with their official Biola account to comment, and only display comments with their real full name attached.

    That's the only sure way to make sure that nobody can hide behind anonymity and attack or troll. It'll have a chilling effect, but on those who are unwilling to stand up in public and put their name behind their statements.

    For users outside Biola, who don't have a Biola account, Facebook login can be used to provide their identity.

    For those without Facebook or a Biola account, tough luck. May 20, 2013

  125. Jerry Lewis

    Dear Eric Theonnes,

    Your Bible obviously has a misprinted pages. may I borrow it from you? I will poop on the Miss print pages and return the tome to you. not to worry. my poop is is sacrosanct as your poop.
    May 20, 2013

  126. Amanda

    Oh wow. I'm not sure whether to be encouraged or discouraged by this discussion. I hope the following are respectful additions to the conversation.

    @A Little Bit Confused: I have never understood the comparison to NAMBLA. You can't see the difference between two consenting adults and an adult taking advantage of a child? It's the same difference between a heterosexual couple and a man pursuing a young girl (which I hope you know is wrong!). Other commenters mentioned adultery-- again, consenting adults are not wronging anyone, whereas adultery wrongs the spouse that does not want to be cheated on. If God doesn't like it, it is His place to judge.

    I would personally be very unhappy if I found out my husband was gay and only pretending to be in love with me to keep up a false front. Maybe that's just me.

    More love in the world has to be better than more hostility. Many gay couples are already raising families in a loving environment. They are already allowed to adopt the orphans and unwanted children abandoned by heterosexual couples. And 30 years of study have shown that these children have suffered no ill effects. A loving home is what matters. Personally I find this an elegant solution to our crowded orphanage and foster system.

    I don't think that "please don't harass us into committing suicide" is spiritual warfare. It's a plea for compassion. Because this isn't just a spiritual debate. This atmosphere of hostility leads to real acts of violence, and perpetrators of this violence justify their actions with this belief. That isn't love.

    Obviously we are all way past Christianity as it was practiced up to the Middle Ages. The Bible is reinterpreted every few decades as spiritually-minded people grapple with its message and its language, and form religious beliefs that support their current way of life. People have no problem ignoring the bits of the Bible that condemn things they want to do (eat figs, shellfish, and pork; get tattoos; wear blended fabrics; get divorced), but feel free to condemn the things they personally don't want to do anyway.

    Best wishes to BQU. I admire your desire to lead an honest life in balance with your spirituality. Too many people are forced to leave their faith or else lie about their identity to keep it. May 21, 2013

  127. Seth

    Dear Amanda,

    I too don't know whether to be encouraged or discouraged by this discussion. On the one hand I feel it is important for us as Christ-followers to have open and honest dialogue about this topic. On the other hand, with groups that hold so passionately polarized views on the topic it appears that it is often difficult to arrive together at a place of beneficial discourse.

    All that to say, I appreciated your comments and felt they WERE a respectful addition to the conversation. I would like to respound in turn! :-)

    One of your comments particularly connected with me and my story... thought I would share. You said, "Too many people are forced to leave their faith or else lie about their identity to keep it." Growing up I often agonized about this. It was so hard! I felt I was keeping this huge secret: I'm gay. And that was the message I was getting from my parents, church, and society: If you are attracted to members of the same sex, then you ARE gay and you SHOULD live out a gay lifestyle. But, unbeknownst to them, this message caused me much pain and confusion! How I wish someone would have told me, what I later discovered on my own through prayer and personal Bible study, "Identity is not defined by the unwanted desires one has. Who we are is not determined by our sinful wants. Though we have many unwanted desires (to harbor bitterness, to eat junk food, to brag, etc.) we don't grab them and make them our identity. When we try to define ourselves in these ways we take our identity into our own hands rather than allowing God to tell us who we are."

    It is now from this place of recognizing my primary identity as a redeemed child of God that I know who I am, make decisions on these confusing issues, and receive from Him the big blessings He has for me (and not just the little ones I desire). Not only does scripture (the new testament) clearly show that homosexuality is not God's intention for his children (I'm not asking you to agree, but please tolerate my personal convictions here... FYI I also believe divorce is sinful in most cases), it also paints a beautiful analogy of God's love and care for His bride and the Church's submission to Him through the marriage of a man and woman (and their respective roles)!

    (Continued below) May 21, 2013

  128. Seth

    (Continued from above)

    My wife, who knew about my struggle with same sex attraction before we married, and I have been married for coming up on 7 years; we have 3 children so far (and no plans of stopping soon!). It has been an honor and priveledge to enjoy and cultivate this love and to experience the depths of this analogous truth and display this truth to the world around us. How wonderful (and challenging) to seek to love and care for her as Christ does the Church! How honoring and transforming my wife's submission has been to me (especially when undeserved)! Men and women are so different - and yet, how beautiful when we are called into such a sacred union. Looking back on these 7 years and ahead on those to come, I have absolutely no regrets. I do not doubt for a second that this was God's full intention for me. In this I am satisfied! Though God's intention for each person who struggles with same sex attraction might be different, I (respectfully) don't believe God intends for anyone to identify as Gay or live a gay lifestyle. I don't hate or belittle those who disagree with me.

    My desire is that boys, girls, men, and woman who struggle with same sex attraction would have the opportunity to hear this perspective on truth from God's Word: having homosexual thoughts/ssa does not determine your identity; you can share your struggles with same sex attraction without shame; your identity is first and foremost as a redeemed child of God; you don't have to give in to this temptation, but God has put His Spirit in you and community around you for strength (as with any temptation); day by day God restores our hearts, He brings this restoration to completion in the hereafter. This message would have blessed me early on.

    These are my beliefs. I don't hold them out of spite for the LGBT community or because I'm afraid of living a gay/bi lifestyle. I hold them because I believe this is the life God intends for me (and others) and because my life experiences and circumstances have convinced me this is the most satisfying and fulfilling way.

    However, I have often felt slighted by some of those advocating for Gay Marriage (not all, but some - including family and friends) who in one breath say, "Hear our voice" and with the next dismiss mine as invalid or hateful... which reminds me, Amanda, that I want to thank you again that even though we disagree, we can both share our perspectives in a healthy dialogue that by God's grace will benefit us and the society of which we're both a part.

    Grace and peace,
    seth May 21, 2013

  129. Dave

    I'm guessing Arlin is republican, pro-military (pacifism is somehow violent???), reformed calvinist, and ...what...22?

    It's obvious he values being "right" over the things Christ actually taught. May 21, 2013

  130. Nathaniel Lainson

    Matthew 7: 1-5

    1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    In context Jesus was referring to the Pharisees, who went around judging people for their actions and considering them unworthy of the Kingdom of Heaven, in the same way what that verse means today is that it is not our place to decide who is fit or unfit for the Kingdom of God's, for that is His place to decide. But if all scripture is sovereign, then all scripture must be considered.

    Romans 6:12 - 17 states,

    12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance.

    May 21, 2013

  131. Nathaniel Lainson

    (Cont.)
    If this is true, then we must be aware of Sin and when it happens and call it out, so that it can be dealt with and those who fell into Sin be placed back onto the path of becoming more like Jesus. And if it is Jesus that we must become, then we must take to heart all the things he stood for. Jesus did engage in same sex relations but never to the point of sexual intercourse. In fact, the only time he spoke out about relationships in the romantic way was in Matthew 19:4-5,

    4 He answered, "Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female," 5 and said, "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one"?

    True, Jesus never did speak out against Homosexual relations directly, but that is because he never had to. The society Jesus grew up in fully believed that homosexual relations were wrong, as it said it was in the Mosaic Law, or Torah and affirmed in the Prophets, Proverbs and poetry that we would come to call the "Old Testament." A person might claim that Jesus being kissed on the lips by another man shows he was comfortable with homosexual relations, but again such a statement is made by an out of context understanding. A kiss does not always mean a romantic gesture. In some cultures it is a simple greeting, in others a sign of deep friendship and trust, not to mention that the kiss of Judas had no romantic intentions at all. What it instead stood for was a representation of the "Holy Kiss," or a "kiss of peace," which stood for a greeting between people in 1 century Judea.

    We must not judge Christians themselves nor must we ignore the Sin Christians do and allow them to lose their way. It is hard to separate the two but since when was the Christian life easy? Jesus said the path is hard and the road is long, filled with many trials. Just because some trials come from inside the church, not outside, does not mean we can ignore it. Homosexuality is wrong, plain and simple and good, god-fearing Christians have been fooled into believing it is not. With grace, love, friendship, and genuine compassion we must help our lost brethren and remind them that loving God and fulfilling his wants for us is greater that the love and desires of our own selves.

    Peace be with you brethren of Christ the risen Lord, amen. May 21, 2013

  132. Arlin Edmondson

    Dave:
    "It's obvious he values being "right""

    I care, formost, about truth and consistency.

    I present my arguments with the expectation that if anything I say is wrong, someone will be able to demonstrate the error and offer a corrective.

    If what I say is right, it deserves to be said strongly and defended vigorously. As I attempt to do.

    "over the things Christ actually taught"

    How is anything I have said in opposition to what Christ taught or revealed in His word?

    Respond with specific texts and explanation, please.

    "I'm guessing Arlin is republican"
    No. I am an independent.
    Matt Carobini is the campus republican.

    What is the relevance of this?

    "pro-military (pacifism is somehow violent???)"
    My argument that pacifism is violent holds true regardless of my personal position on military service or the like.

    Find flaw in your opponent's argument, don't pigeonhole your opponent into a caricature you can then dismiss.

    "reformed calvinist, and ...what...22?"

    Again, this is all personal, and off-topic.

    If your side can't interact with opposing views, your side does not hold to a defensible position.
    May 21, 2013

  133. Arlin Edmondson

    Seth,

    I would say this to you in private, but since I do not know how to contact you, I will day it publicly.

    Thank you for the encouragement of your testimony; your words bring honour to the message of the Gospel of Christ, and glory to the name of God.

    Blessings to you brother.
    May 22, 2013

  134. random poster

    There is a difference between being a homosexual Christian who hates sin and desiring to have the homosexual lifestyle viewed as admissible or respectable or tolerable. It is one thing to be homosexual and recognize it as sin, and seek repentance and growth away from that lifestyle. But it is an entirely different thing to say, homosexuality is okay and should be accepted and viewed as admissible on BIOLA's campus.

    Homosexuality is sinful in a similar way as heterosexual lust is.

    In the same way that it wouldn't be right for a heterosexual man who struggles with pornography to start a group that seeks admissibility for looking at Porn from BIOLA, it is wrong for the homosexual community to do so.

    It all comes down to how you view homosexuality. If you view it correctly as sin (by authority of the Bible, than it is one more thing in life to repent of and seek forgiveness, not acceptance or tolerance. If you do not view it as a sin, then it makes no sense to petition a private Christian school about it. In the same way, it would be foolish for me to go to a mosque and petition them to accept my belief, and grant me recognition that Allah is not the one, true, God. May 22, 2013

  135. Random Poster nailed it

    This is exactly the right approach: "In the same way that it wouldn't be right for a heterosexual man who struggles with pornography to start a group that seeks admissibility for looking at Porn from BIOLA, it is wrong for the homosexual community to do so."

    Look - I am by nature much more violent than most people. I am, at times, also very critical and mean spirited. I was BORN that way. But I don't get to just do whatever I want. MY. LIFE. IS. NOT. MY. OWN. There are standards in scripture and homosexuality is not an acceptable lifestyle for a Christian anymore than being mean spirited, critical, or having heterosexual relationships outside of marriage. June 3, 2013

  136. Telling Words

    The line "I turned to the Internet" is the most telling of all. June 6, 2013

  137. Testimony of Truth

    I could’ve been Magness.

    When I was a little girl, I enjoyed making mud pies with a girl friend.

    Her mom would throw us in the tub afterwards.

    Then she’d throw us into bed to get warm.

    I’ll spare you the details that followed.

    My little conscience began to bother me.

    Had people easing my conscience surrounded me, I may have come to the conclusion that I was born to enjoy the experience, that I was born to continually make the choice to be with my girl friend, and, in effect, that I was made without a choice.

    Instead I was taught Romans 1:25-28, “They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved. Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done.” (NLT)

    I am thankful for the brave Christians who taught me this Scripture. I have been happily married to my husband for 18 years and have a beautiful teenage son.
    June 6, 2013

  138. Biola Bob '81

    I am sorry, but God's calling does not include sin or coming out to help others. It saddens me that some Christians can be so deceived by Satan in thinking that homosexuality is ok and that God made them that way. If God can raise the dead and make a lame man walk, and heal the sick through His Son Jesus Christ, then He can also deliver the homosexual from this sin and set them free, isn't this why Jesus came in the first place, but to deliver us from the power and grip of sin on our lives? June 7, 2013

  139. SATAN

    Christian bigots I summon thee. June 8, 2013

  140. Arlin Edmondson

    Anonymous comments without a valid .edu email address should have their IP address publicly tagged to the comment.
    June 9, 2013

  141. Ashram

    Dear Tasha and William -- Thank you for your bravery and courage. Thank you for helping queer students in their moments of need, and thank you for helping them feel less alone. The amount of Bible-thumping in these comments is appalling, and all that finger pointing does not demonstrate the message of love and tolerance that you are advocating.

    I myself am gay, and have left the church long ago because of the many hardships and bigotry I endured. Of course, there are LGBTQ-friendly churches I can attend, but I feel weary at the prospect. I wish I could have had mentors such as yourself during my difficult struggles, not "peers" who condemned and confused me.

    I wish the Church could know how much they turn away those like myself, and how far we run away, never to come back. I wish the Church could know the amount of hurt they impose on the LGBTQ community, the amount of suicides, the amount of psychological and spiritual bloodshed. Quoting verses and saying "love the sinner, hate the sin" does more harm than mending.

    You are the new generation that is changing the minds of the old. May God bless you and keep you strong in the face of opposition. May your charisma and compassion never wane, and know that there are those of us out there -- perhaps not in Biola, but all over the world! -- who support you and extend love over your group.

    This comment is not meant to be extrapolated and dissected into "neat" Biblical attacks and scripture-tagging and personal testimonies....it is a message for Tasha and William, and an encouragement for what they do.

    As Noble-playwright Tony Kushner wrote at the end of his excellent play Angels in America:
    More Life.
    The Great Work begins. June 13, 2013

  142. Arlin Edmondson

    Ashram,

    You say:
    "I myself am gay, and have left the church long ago because of the many hardships and bigotry I endured."

    You left the Church because the Christian faith proclaims a moral code which you hate and refuse to submit your mind in acknowledgement.

    And in failing to keep that ethical code, which no one can truly keep apart from Christ, you left the Church because you spurned the Cross from whence pardon from your sin poured from where the nails went in.

    You have refused both Law, which points you to the Cross, and the Grace of the Gospel which alone gives one the ability to mortify sin.

    In other words, you turned away and went out from us because you were not of us. For, if you had been of us you would have remained with us and in your sins you would have sought the cross for mercy and mortification.

    That is the tragic reality of this whole underground movement; they are emboldening sinners in their sins rather than encouraging believers to spurn their sins and cling ever firmer to the cross.
    June 17, 2013

  143. Chaz

    Hmm, Jesus is King - that cannot be debated, he defeated death, Hell and the grave and removed the sting and power of Sin because he LOVES US! Jesus rules in Love, his love surpasses understanding. And He loves his bride- the Church, he longs for her and desires her to be one with him, and to stand face to face with him.

    That's where I get me definition and example of marriage, from Jesus and His bride. A man who will lay down his life for his bride, and a bride that loves and respects him.

    When I think of same sex attractions, to me it's the same as the satanic hold that Pornography has over a majority of males as well as females

    for me, it was an encounter when i was about 10 years old, and I was hooked and addicted ever since(well until King Jesus set me free that is) :)

    it seems to me that the Church keeps things like Porn "hush hush"- because so many struggle with it. yet when it comes to same sex attractions, everyone freaks out!
    i know when i was stuck and trapped in Pornography, i hated it, i wanted help but i didnt know what i could do- i may have gone weeks walking in purity, and yet slip and feel horrible

    i really had two options,
    give myself to it
    or
    keep fighting a useless battle

    i asked(screamed begged and pleaded) the Holy Spirit to help me
    and he started to create in me a desire to "come out"
    to tell someone, to confess, ask for help

    which to me was unthinkable because i was scared to death of what other people might think of me

    i was talking with a man of God, and he was sharing his past struggles with suicide and depression, and how Jesus set him completely free, and i felt i had to confess

    so i did

    and he didnt even blink
    he told me he loved me and he didnt think any differently of me and he spoke life into me, encouraged me and prayed with me and LOVED ME.

    and it really set me free

    when thoughts of same sex attractions or lust or images from violent and graphic porn videos ive watched( i have had sexual thoughts or pictures about other men as well)

    i dont freak out when the thoughts come
    because they arent mine
    its the devil, a tormenting spirit
    and i take the thought, acknowledge it and say to my self "i know where you came from" and i send it to the pit of hell where it came from

    taking every thought captive and make it obedient to Christ
    2 cor 10:5

    if your struggling with Porn as a man or women, or you struggle with same sex/opposite thoughts or attractions, keep fighting
    go to christ
    and dont hide, share, confess your sins one to another and pray for each other that you might be healed
    james 5:16

    and as the Church it is ESSENTIAL AND VITAL we be like christ and LOVE people who struggle with same sex(or opposite sex) sexual thoughts and same sex attractions or pornography or lust or any sin
    that we speak life to their spirit, and not think any different of them, and pray for them and love them


    love never fails

    God bless yall :) June 25, 2013

  144. Dr. Virginia Doland

    Having taught at Biola since 1963 (imagine!), it is no surprise to me that there is a gay student underground. I am a serious Christian and I believe it is our duty as followers of Christ to understand and support the spiritual and emotional growth of each student (in fact, everyone) with whom we come into contact.

    An experience at Biola which was most traumatic for me was the news (which was a surprise) that a brilliant young gay student, an English major whom I knew slightly but was looking forward to having in one of my classes, had left Biola because of his sense of isolation rejection which he felt here. He returned home where his parents also rejected him. Consequently, he drove to the edge of the Grand Canyon and blew his head off with a shotgun.

    My immediate reaction was to feel that we, as a Christian community, had failed that young man. Our failure was a spiritual faiure, make no mistake! Jesus died for all of us and as committed Christians we have a responsibility to support and express the love of the Father not only to our family and friends, but to all.

    This is, obviously, a difficult issue for Biola's administrators and not only because of how it might affect student recruitment, retention and donor relations. I believe that our leaders will seriously consider how we can support and love those under our care, helping us all to grow in our own spiritual life.

    Christ said "render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's." May I paraphrase that slightly for this situation and think "render unto culture the things that are cultural, and unto God the things that are God's." Culture is man made and changing; God is wholly Other and His love for us is unchanging and not dependent upon how righteous we are. "Little children, love one another."

    Having attended a "Christian university" myself and heard our President routinely give racist sermons in Chapel, I have always appreciated the seriousness with which some of our leaders face their difficult responsibilities as Christian role models. As I say, this is a difficult time for the administration, but as Dr. Cook used to say the Chinese character for "Crisis" is also the same character as that for "Opportunity." May we all - student, faculty member and administrator - seize this opportunity as one of growth in Christian awareness and concern for others. May we Love rather than simply Judge one another. July 1, 2013

  145. Craigery

    It is interesting to watch Christian institutions change over time. My Grandmother told me that her Methodist college in Iowa did not allow card playing or dancing! Now both of those are probably non issues in most Christian colleges, as I believe being gay and Christian will be someday! ---

    July 10, 2013

  146. Rev Bob Fritch, Biola '81

    As a Biola graduate I am saddened to hear that this type of group has come forth. Now while I can try to understand the struggle that these students have with same sex attraction, I know that they can be set free and delivered by the power of Christ for as it says in Isaiah 53, "by His strips we are healed."

    I would say that if they want to practice abstinence while they are students at Biola then they should be allowed to remain there, but if they want Biola to accept their sinful lifestyle and still practice sexual relations with someone of the same sex then I think they should seek another college to attend.

    I also want to address the often used misnomer that God created homosexuals this way, that would be against God's nature all together. God cannot create something or someone that goes against His righteous nature. Homosexuality is not caused by a gene but rather it is a sin nature that one has adopted by an individual, and even more sad is when a Christian accepts the lies of Satan and believes that they are born that way and they cannot choose otherwise.

    It saddens me more in that the church has become more tolerant of this sinful lifestyle just as I am saddened that the church practices Christian anti-Semitism. Both of these are sins just as much as is fornication, or sex out of marriage. All of these can be forgiven by Christ and delivered from.

    I certainly hope that Biola will never stray from their mission and biblical standards that were established back in 1908. The day that Biola allows a gay student group to exist on campus, will be the day I will drive over from Arizona, tear up my degree and throw it on Metger Lawn in front of the administration building in protest and will vocally tell potential students to seek some other Christian higher institution to do their studies at! July 15, 2013

  147. DENA

    A Christian is a follower of Christ who wants our hearts pure for the day we meet Him. He is Holy and we are not but His blood paid the price for us to enter in but we are to repent of our sins and turn to Him. If you want to try to enter heaven on your owm terms and not His, I think you know what the answer is. August 25, 2013

  148. 2001 Biola Graduate

    I just heard from a friend about the "BQU." I am horrified. In love to anyone in support of the BQU, PLEASE revisit the gospel... to turn and repent from sin and believe in Christ. How can one embrace sin and boast Christ simultaneously? I HOPE and PRAY that Biola Leadership disallows this group or any like it in support of the Gospel and in obedience abundantly clear to the Word of God. September 1, 2013

  149. 2001 Biola Graduate

    Furthermore, I was also shocked that The Chimes would publish an article CLEARLY in support of the BQU. Even in journalism, you guys need to run your content through the grid of scripture; you're not just "reporting." You are also representing Christ. September 1, 2013

  150. Charlie

    People. Stop being so hateful. Gays are people just like us and we are called to love all people. I have no problem with anybody choosing to be gay. But If you believe that the old testament is the word of God and that God never changes, you believe that homosexuality is a sin. "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
    However, that is no reason to condem people or to say things like "you are going to hell". Yes. It is a sin. We are all just as bad of sinners. Just because they sin differently than us does not give us grounds to think we are superior or more Christian. But, I believe that if a follower of Christ is living in sin and does not try to change his ways it shows that God is not his (or her) number one priority in life.
    Christians, stop being so hateful and hurting people. Gay believers, stop arguing that homosexuality is right in God's eyes. We all have weaknesses to different sins (Mine are lust, sloth, and gluttony) but we have to try to overcome our sins because the pleasure we derive from them is not worth disobeying our creator.
    I feel that this group is fine for gay non-Christians but us believers should have more of an eternal perspective.

    September 16, 2013

  151. Duane Magoon

    I have scanned the entire blog (150 entries!) and find little evidence to support the claim that a conversion to Christianity is the "cure" to same-sex attraction. I certainly am NOT arguing against Scripture that states that coming to Christ changes lives; but I ask myself, if Jesus is the "answer," why are there so few success stories out there, and the ex-gay "therapy" movement on the verge of collapse? If Christ changes lives (and I certainly believe that He does!), then wouldn't we be seeing a LOT MORE evidence that a conversion experience effects a changed sexual orientation? Why isn't it happening, Christians?

    I've been looking long and hard for a book (or even a "testimony") written by individuals whose conversion experience did effect a "cure." Precious few of those exist; in fact, it seems that there are more examples of ex-gay Christians renouncing their new orientation -- not exactly something the Church can be proud of.

    I have just come across a recent (2012) book written by Justin Lee: "TORN: Rescuing the Gospel from the Gays vs. Christians Debate." For the first time I found a self-described evangelical gay Christian who writes a compassionate story that reads more like a diary than a research paper. His story is worth reading by people on both sides of the debate. In fact, I'm thinking it could have been written by a BIOLA grad. What may surprise readers is that there is no "solution" offered in the book. But I think it's a book for those on either side of the debate to understand the issue from the perspective of one who knows what he's talking about.
    October 30, 2013

  152. AndrewR

    I'm natural bodybuilder since 2010, but last 3 months i don't see any muscle gains, i wanted to buy illegal steroids, but my friend told me that is better to use prohormones - same results without side effects, but is this possible? Do prohormones work? I read some testimonials at prohormones factory but i don't know it is true or fake, what do you think? November 22, 2013

  153. Lila Salas

    I am proud to be a Biola alumnus very much so because the BQU exists. My faith has been restored in devotion to social justice and love and acceptance for ALL peoples. Thank you for the gift of your courage and commitment to following your instincts. December 8, 2013

  154. matts

    If anything about this is a clear deviation from Biola's published student standards of conduct then someone needs to be made accountable. Why not start BMU? Biola Marijuana Users? The school's Dean of Sudents would certainly take action if a student was smoking pot, and expel them without grace or due process.
    Biblically speaking about changed lives... 1.) "...Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it..." 2.) "For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son..." Not every change is made instantly. We are not yet glorified. But we must agree with God that sin is sin to be forgiven and healed.
    Too many prefer to justify their sinfulness. September 29, 2014

  155. Steve Smith

    ...and please let us not exclude the BPU (Biola Pedophilia Union), or the BAU (Biola Adulterers Union), or of course the BBU (Biola Bestiality Union). If Biola will allow one sin (homosexuality) to exercise it's influence in it's hallowed halls, then why not just open the floodgates? How about the BMU (Biola Murderers Union), or the BRU (Biola Rapist Union), or come on now, let's not be prejudicial or judgmental the BSU (Biola Satanist Union). Open the gates if you will, but I hope some wise council takes this by the reins. December 12, 2014

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